Nat: When AI citations and clicks are coveted and search engine rankings are constantly fluctuating, what do you need to know to keep your site optimized? From new acronyms to helpful tools to AI opt-out options, Marc Engelsman, our VP of SEO and SAIO at DBE, shared some major tips on LinkedIn, and we’re here to dive deeper to help you stay up to date. Hi Marc!
Marc: Hi Nat, what questions do you have for me?
Building Online Brand Authority
Nat: There was a post you did comparing “building a brand” to Build-a-Bear. Your website is the skin of your bear. You can dress it up however you want, but you need the proper optimization or “stuffing” inside it. Can you explain the elements to which you are referring and how people can start optimizing for them?
Marc: First, let me be clear, when we talk about proper optimization stuffing, it’s very much not about keyword stuffing. It’s all about getting keyword alignment throughout your page from top down – the URL, the Page Title, the meta description, the H1 tag, the content, and the alt tags. If you get all these done “just right” (as Goldilocks would say), then you will have built a well-optimized bear of a website.
Benchmarking SEO Data
Nat: Speaking of bears, you talked about being smarter than the average bear (a Yogi Bear cartoon reference) through benchmarking your own SEO data instead of comparing solely to industry averages. When do you recommend benchmarking the data, and which metrics should you focus on?
Marc: First you need to do an audit of what metrics are already available. Are you currently using GA4 or some other platform that provides website traffic data by channel/source? Have you identified Key Events aligned with the customer journey through to acquisition? Do you have an average value for a new customer that can be used to determine Return-On-Ad-Spend (ROAS for Paid Search) or Return on Investment for other channels like SEO? Have you already been doing SEO or SAIO and, if so, can you share past keywords/ranking data? If you have all this, you already have a good benchmarked data set. If you don’t you need to quickly fill in the gaps so you have a basis for creating your new SEO/SAIO strategy and for benchmarking it.
AI Feature Opt-Out Debate
Nat: AI opt-out features are available to website publishers and users. Both have benefits and pitfalls, but if one does not subscribe to AI opt-in features, the connection between publisher and user may not be made. What considerations should publishers and users mull over when making the decision?
Marc: It’s pretty simple. If you are a publisher and you opt-out of having AI bots crawl your site due to copyright concerns, you sacrifice visibility and authority for your website. If you are a user who opts out of allowing AI bots to “personalize” results based on your previous history, you sacrifice getting better results to your queries. Even if only the publisher or only the user opts out, then both may suffer less-than-optimal AI visibility.
AI Optimization Acronyms
Nat: AIO, SAIO, GEO, AEO… Search AI Optimization has many names, but we’ve been pointing out in our newsletter, Perceptive Marketer, (subscribe below) that the tactics are mostly aligned between acronyms. When a company is hiring an agency with these service offerings, what questions should they be asking?
Marc: I’m going to give you three related questions for both the hiring company and the prospect agency.
- First question from the company: How do you approach optimizing for traditional search engines and for AI platforms?
- First question from the agency: Do you see SEO and the fill-in-the-blank-acronym you use for SAIO as an integrated strategy or do you want to optimize for each as a separate channel?
- Second question from the company: What makes your approach to SEO/SAIO different from what other agencies are doing?
- Second question from the agency: Has your organization done SEO and SAIO work before? If so or if not, what’s prompting you to talk with us now?
- Third question from the company: How do you price your services?
- Third question from the agency: Do you already have a budget for this work? If not, what is your process and timeline for getting budget approval?
Answers to these questions will help companies and agencies assess how best to move forward with each other.
New Google ROAS Tool
Nat: Google Ads rolled out a Return-On-Ad-Spend-based tool to let advertisers calculate conversion value for new customers. You mentioned a potential new setting that could be a helpful feature. Can you explain what it was and the meaning behind it?
Marc: LTV stands for Life-Time Value and I was suggesting that a conversion setting that includes LTV would provide an even better way to look at the payoff of a new customer acquisition. Granted, LTV is not always the easiest thing for companies to assess, but we always ask about it during our Discovery and Benchmarking phase of work; and will work with companies to come up with at least a conservative estimation for reporting purposes.
Organic SERP & AI Citation URL Overlap Rates
Nat: The SEO tool, Moz, compared the URLs that show for Google organic search (AKA SERPs), AI Overviews, and AI Mode. Research on 40,000 keyword searches/queries across these platforms shows AI Overviews citations have an 88% overlap with Top 10 SERPs. AI Mode citations only have a 12% overlap with Top 10 SERPs. Why is there such a disparity between AI Mode citations and the organic SERP URLs?
Marc: AI Mode isn’t just searching for the specified keyword query – it’s building off the keyword to conduct broader, more topical “fan-out queries” to formulate responses. So, it’s not apples to apples in terms of keyword comparisons… more like apples to MacIntosh apples and Granny apples and Gala apples, etc. or maybe even apples to pears.
Nat: With that in mind, what does that mean for optimizing your website? Should we be doing anything different for AI Mode optimization?
Marc: It appears we can teach the new AI Overviews dog with relatively old, but proven, SEO “tricks” like tags and content alignment around target keywords on individual pages. As for AI Mode, the question is how much effort should be made to gain more visibility in AI Mode (that has less user volume than the other two)? My thought, at least until we have more data that suggests otherwise, is don’t let the AI Mode long-tail wag your SEO/SAIO strategy dog.
The Future of SEO Strategy in 2026
Nat: Keep appraised of new musings from Marc through DBE’s LinkedIn and our Perceptive Marketer newsletter. Is there anything you want to leave us with, Marc?
Marc: Stay tuned as all things SEO and SAIO are moving faster and faster. Are there any tips you would give, Nat?
Nat: I would say to use AI as a member of your content creation team. It shouldn’t be a one-bot show. Yes, it can help in aspects of the process like brainstorming or outlining, but people yearn for authenticity, originality, and connection. So, keeping humans as an integral part of the content creation process (like editing and writing) is crucial for developing higher performing content. Just be sure you keep SEO and SAIO best practices in mind as you craft it! Happy optimizing!
Marc: Happy optimizing indeed!
